And yes, I’ve lost friendly acquaintances who were Loki worshippers over JUST THESE THINGS. to make any attempt at bridging those distances.You wrote, “It doesn’t have to do with prioritizing the human, though…it’s simply a matter of recognizing it is there.”And here again we disagree. It is too easy to assume that we and They are of a kind, to mistake the seeming for the reality of the Being. 2, Yet I know by direct and we likewise know that there are other clans of Gods like the Vanir, Whose cosmological focus is different. Yet we know experientially that our bodies and minds interact with each other all the time—something mind and body should not be able to do if they are substantially different. I think it elides the essential question of “godhood,” whatever that is, and frankly, I suspect that’s exactly the point of the usage.

I instead prefer “being” or ‘being-ness’ which isn’t quite grammatical but gets the job done, because let’s face it, we are not dealing with a community that is trained in the nuances of theological thought. sometimes a dog just needs to be a dog and needs to pull endlessly on a sock or chase a stick, etc. Then there is that other point, as you say the Aesir uphold universal law, but there is that within an individual that at times must stand up for a truth of their conscience that breaks with that idea a group is holding. From there, one can all too easily begin ascribing human emotions, motivations, and agendas to Them…to Beings that are not and (save for the exceptions noted at the beginning of my response) never have been human.
They were never intended to be taken as a guide to life or to inculcate values. While not all Gods may have been involved in that particular moment of fixing the materiality (and by extension temporality) of the worlds, there are Three Who were: Odin, Vili, and Vé or Odin, Hoenir, and Loðúrr, the latter of Whom I hold with the skalds to be Loki. You wrote: “But ignoring it is also not ideal, and will only lead to all sorts of problems the less one acknowledges it–it doesn’t have to be a huge public recognition ceremony, so to speak, just a mere awareness that it is there in the back of one’s mind amidst whatever one is doing, which will then easily account for why it is we cannot know the Deities in Their fulness, why some of what we experience with the Deities is only minimally comprehensible in the moment, or leaves us gibbering and shivering in the corner, etc.”No one is saying ignore it. To demand that the Gods placate our humanity ludicrous. They were far more likely to leave those names unspoken. He carries the holy, the numinous into our world and along the rainbow bridge to all the worlds, traveling with Thor, Protector of Midgard.

Does a Being have to possess ‘personhood’ in order to be reverenced?

No, it’s not the end-all and be-all, but it’s a step in the right direction, and may be as good a notion as any for us when we’re operating on the human level, which all polytheists that I know of are at present–we can do no other, since we aren’t Deities.”And I would say that such a thing is a crutch. You wrote, “I agree, the Deities are not “human” … but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re not “people,” as in “persons.” Personhood and all that it implies is essential to both animism and polytheism, I’d argue, because it then requires one to take into consideration that personhood and all it implies–including individual agency, volition, and so forth–when dealing with these other-than-human persons. He stripped the sacred from our tales because Nor are our stories morality plays. Fifteen or more years ago my professional writing and research interests were largely focused on the philosophical implications of various interesting and important issues in the sciences, particularly the theory of natural selection in biology and philosophy’s contributions to The uncertainty principle was introduced by Werner Heisenberg in 1927 as a statement of one of the most fascinating and mind-bending features of the world of quantum physics. ‘personhood’ allows us to draw not just meaning, but comparison with the Gods and it also makes our own personhood the most important part of us and that’s not the way it ought to be.
and how much is traditional.I think what we originally had with ragnarok was a renewable, destruction for cleansing and creation cycle, not the “end of the world’ as such. You wrote, “There’s also the whole matter of, for example, Zeus being known as the “Father of Gods and men,” and likewise the Orphic anthropogony that says human origins are partially divine, and all of the Orphic lamellae that say that initiates have become divine, etc. I am relatively new to the Norse pantheon, and have not read all the eddas yet, so I did not know that Loki and Lodhurr are considered by some to be the same being, but it makes too much sense, as close as Loki is to Odin, and I futher like this, because it makes Odin uncle to my beloved Hela.Yes and while they (Middle Ages Christians) did their little morality plays they were in their actions quite uncivilized compared to most ancient civilizations that came before them, destroying the idea of linear progress.

That’s what this meme is clearly stating.Loki is a polarizing figure in contemporary Norse and Germanic traditions. This is all the more so if Loki and Loðúrr are indeed the same Being. There are many passionate, very devout contemporary devotees…and then there are those who can’t tell fiction from religion, the sock puppets in their heads from Gods, and tv from reality. I am grateful to you for this blog. It makes our ‘personhood’ the gold standard.


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